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Post by tchock1 on Jul 30, 2013 12:41:48 GMT -5
New LP coming this fall... interesting!
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Post by mat on Jul 30, 2013 14:43:54 GMT -5
You beat me to it. It also says he's releasing a book entitled "Dust"
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Post by wolfticketsden on Jul 30, 2013 16:52:40 GMT -5
Pre-Human Ideas? Must be Phil's belated answer to youtu.be/a5tQG9aW6EkIt also invites some philosophical questions: can one speak of 'ideas', which are a human concept, before humans existed?
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Post by sam on Aug 6, 2013 17:01:53 GMT -5
I sent an email to Phil mostly regarding some shipping stuff but I asked about DUST also and he has confirmed that it will be a photo book.
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Post by heile on Aug 6, 2013 17:26:52 GMT -5
I sent an email to Phil mostly regarding some shipping stuff but I asked about DUST also and he has confirmed that it will be a photo book. yeah I heard him talking about releasing another photo book, I figured that's what it was. Also, I'm betting that "Pre-Human Ideas" is the recordings he made as demos for the band that he toured Europe with this year. Different arrangements of Clear Moon / Ocean Roar songs and classics too. I don't know for sure though.
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Post by wolfticketsden on Aug 9, 2013 1:08:30 GMT -5
Also, I'm betting that "Pre-Human Ideas" is the recordings he made as demos for the band that he toured Europe with this year. Different arrangements of Clear Moon / Ocean Roar songs and classics too. I don't know for sure though. That would explain the title. Phil was saying in an interview that he used GarageBand to make some demos of the harmony arrangements for the songs for the 'singing group' tour. So they would be 'pre-human' in the sense that they're made on a computer before being sung by humans. I'd be more interested in actual recordings of band performances though; Phil released some similar style versions of Clear Moon/OR tracks last year on those Tomlab 7''s but I don't think I've listened to them more than twice.
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Post by tchock1 on Aug 9, 2013 8:51:55 GMT -5
Hmmmm, yeah, that does make sense and I'm hoping it's not just completely computer-generated backing tracks/demos. I mean, the 'old songs' release was interesting but not one of my favorites and i'm hoping this doesn't fall into that category.
The book, however, sounds great.
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Post by sam on Aug 9, 2013 8:59:18 GMT -5
Someone here posted a really in depth radio interview they did with Phil awhile back and he mentioned the possibility of releasing the new vocally layered arrangements of songs played on the past tour. I'm hoping that this will be along those lines or something new entirely.
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Post by parachute on Aug 9, 2013 19:34:11 GMT -5
I mean, the 'old songs' release was interesting but not one of my favorites and i'm hoping this doesn't fall into that category. I haven't met many people who are into 'old songs' but it's actually the album that hooked me in to the elverum catalogue. Really excited to hear about this new record!
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Post by wolfticketsden on Aug 10, 2013 14:10:27 GMT -5
Well, back when it came out '11 old songs' was the only way (aside from live/ bootlegs) to hear the 'winter in Norway' songs that finally surfaced on 'Dawn'. So it had its appeal; somehow it seemed that the Casio keyboard gave some distance from the raw personal soulsearching; there was also humor there and not taking oneself too seriously, which was maybe necessary at the time. But just compare the naked 'Great Ghosts' on the 'Live in Japan' LP with the '11 old songs' version. To me the Casio version only works if you know the 'original', if you're in on the joke, as it were. On a side note, 'Live in Japan' was in a way a similar release, since audiences in Japan are notoriously reserved and unemotional. So on the Live in Japan album you have Phil playing his most personal songs and pouring his heart out to a largely uninvolved audience clapping politely, and on '11 old songs' you have the same with a cheesy keyboard. It's as if the only way to have those songs on an official release back then was through some sort of 'protective layer'.
Years later, Phil went back and rerecorded those songs on acoustic guitar for 'Dawn'. But am I the only one who thinks the passage of time has made the performances less immediate/emotional? I still prefer 'Great Ghosts' on Live in Japan or any early 2000s bootleg to the 'Dawn' version.
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Post by tchock1 on Aug 10, 2013 14:18:13 GMT -5
Nope, not just you. The performance of Great Ghosts (and also After N. Young) on Live in Japan are incredible and perfect. The Dawn versions are good but perhaps a bit less immediate from the emotional rawness. Totally agree with you on the Old Songs release too. Overall, it's nice to have some variety and I doubt we'd have the creative/emotional use of keyboards on Clear Moon/Ocean Roar without that release.
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Post by parachute on Aug 10, 2013 20:10:24 GMT -5
somehow it seemed that the Casio keyboard gave some distance from the raw personal soulsearching; there was also humor there and not taking oneself too seriously, which was maybe necessary at the time. I can understand how you would see the Casio songs as impersonal and jokey, but for me I found them to be really sincere, it felt like the whole thing was put together in a really ad-hoc way, just like Little Bird Flies... I must admit when I first got into the album I wasn't aware of Phil's humour so I wasn't really in on the gag! As for the different versions of Great Ghosts, I completely agree with tchock1, the live version from Japan is amazing. On a side note.. the song "After N. Young", what's with that title? I think it has been discussed on here before but I can't remember if anyone had any information on it.
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Post by heile on Aug 10, 2013 22:19:29 GMT -5
somehow it seemed that the Casio keyboard gave some distance from the raw personal soulsearching; there was also humor there and not taking oneself too seriously, which was maybe necessary at the time. I can understand how you would see the Casio songs as impersonal and jokey, but for me I found them to be really sincere, it felt like the whole thing was put together in a really ad-hoc way, just like Little Bird Flies... I must admit when I first got into the album I wasn't aware of Phil's humour so I wasn't really in on the gag! As for the different versions of Great Ghosts, I completely agree with tchock1, the live version from Japan is amazing. On a side note.. the song "After N. Young", what's with that title? I think it has been discussed on here before but I can't remember if anyone had any information on it. Check out Neil Young's song "Mr. Disappointment" from the Are You Passionate? LP.
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Post by tchock1 on Sept 3, 2013 15:14:54 GMT -5
Last year, Phil Elverum released two Mount Eerie records: Clear Moon and Ocean Roar. This year, he's releasing an album called Pre-Human Ideas, where he re-recorded tracks from both of those albums with Auto-Tuned voices. It's out November 12 via his own P.W. Elverum & Sun label; listen to the re-recorded version of "Lone Bell" above. Although the tracks on Pre-Human Ideas are reworked songs from Elverum's discography, the album's one sheet notes that there are also "newly written lyrics, almost like new songs layered over the old ones, expanding and clarifying the ideas." Pre-Human Ideas: 01 Organs (from Pale Lights) 02 No Inside, No Out 03 I Say "No" 04 The Hidden Stone 05 The Place Lives 06 The Place I Live 07 Lone Bell 08 House Shape 09 Clear Moon 10 Yawning Sky 11 Ocean Roar 12 Organs (from The Place Lives) From: pitchfork.com/news/52119-phil-elverum-releasing-lp-of-re-recorded-and-auto-tuned-mount-eerie-songs/Hmmm. Not sure what to think yet...
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Post by heile on Sept 3, 2013 15:33:00 GMT -5
Hahahaha best cover ever
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